Undercurrents of Anti-White Racism. Let’s Stop This Hate Before It Becomes a Tsunami — Response to MarleyK

Greetings from the UK Marley. Thanks for an informative article entitled, ‘Yes My Dear, All White People Are Racists.’

I would argue that to claim all white people are racist, is a racist statement because it doesn’t take into account the actions many white people have taken to combat racism. (I don’t recognise the phrase ‘reverse racism’, there is no such thing. Racism is racism, period). It’s not enough being a non-racist, people have to be anti-racist. And there are plenty of white people who have demonstrated so. Actions are more important than words. So, when they act (and you gave a list of actions they had taken), these would all be dismissed by you because they must start from the point of admitting that they are racist in the first place.

If white people are admitting that historically there has been white oppression of blacks in the US from slavery through to overt racism in the 1960s and that now we have come a long way and many whites are anti-racist, why then should they rewind and start by saying they are racist? What makes a racist, a racist? Superiority complex, and hatred of the other because of their colour or culture. And I have observed racism by whites against non-whites, blacks against whites (Nation of Islam cult group), whites against asians, asians against whites, asians against blacks and so on. Racism is universal, an awkward and paradoxical reality.

White anti-racists who speak and act against racial injustices would be alienated when you tell them that they are still racist and that their anti-racist actions mean nothing unless they admit they are racist. You and I know that talk is cheap until it is backed by action. In the cases of white anti-racist campaigners you mentioned, the reverse seems to be true, that action is cheap and that it needs to be backed by talk. Moreover, the talk or starting point needs to be an admission that they are racists. I guess this is the main issue of contention here. If you want anti-racist white folk to admit they are racists despite their opposite actions and despite their admission that many of their ancestors were racists and oppressive, then this implies two things:

1. That these white folk are the same as current white supremacists and racists who hate blacks and coloured people. The starting point of admission of racism which you wish to see, applies to current white supremacists and racists, not white anti-racist commentators and activists. You have conflated the two groups. I have tried to engage with white supremacists and racists, and I know there is a difference between their philosophies and the philosophies and actions of white anti-racists. We can agree on this. Hence, you are alienating fellow white friends who are no longer like their ancestors nor current white supremacists. Why should their starting point be ‘I am a racist?’

2. That Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and other veteran campaigners failed in their work towards racial justice and equality. We have come a long way since the racism of the 60s and 70s that some of us have observed and even further away from the era of slavery. MLK etc. did NOT FAIL, they succeeded. And when I review the ‘I Have A Dream’ speech, he was very inclusive and wanted to see white people and black people joining hands together and doing things together. I do not see this type of language from anti-white privilege commentators and activists. Furthermore, Malcolm X (Malik Al-Shabbaz) is often quoted when he was part of the Nation of Islam. He did admit that his anti-white views had changed when he went to Mecca during the Hajj and engaged with white Muslims. He had transformed after embracing Orthodox Islam and had a more universal outlook. Let’s not forget Mahatma Gandhi who helped liberate India from British colonial rule. He never advocated revenge against whites neither did he consider all of them to be racists. He just wanted equal rights for the Indians initially and then independence. I do not see a leader today who is anywhere near Martin Luther King nor Malik Al-Shabbaz nor Mahatma Gandhi. I lament the fact that their elevated views about humanity and brotherhood are in suspended animation in the 20th Century. The 21st Century seems to be in reverse gear beyond retro and faster than the speed of light, as I see more discord between human beings than unity. Bridges are burning fast.

Some questions come to mind:

1. Do you still maintain that white anti-racists must utter the words, ‘I am a racist?’. If so why?

2. What is the difference between a white supremacist/racist and a white anti-racist if the starting point of origin for both groups is, ‘I am a racist?’.

3. Why do you dismiss the anti-racist languages, actions, and thoughts of white anti-racists because they haven’t uttered the words, ‘I am a racist?’ In other words, why is a statement which is no longer true, more important current thoughts and actions? All critics of politicians argue that politicians say things but don’t act on them. Your worldview is the reverse.

4. If the answers to the three questions above do not challenge you to review your position then it implies that you consider white racism to be genetic. That whites are born with this genetic disorder. Is this correct or have I misread you?

5. I have mentored a white manager on what it is to be BAME and the experiences we’ve had. The conversation was two ways because I was also interested to know her perspective on being white and a woman. We had great conversations and she told me that she tries to be inclusive and ensures there is diversity among her team and that everyone is respected. She condemns racism wherever she sees it. Now, please tell me why in God’s name I should tell her to admit being a racist when she isn’t?

6. In the world of multiculturalism, there will be interracial relations. I have heard racists within my asian community and also the white community describe bi-racial people as mongrels or having no identity. Let’s think of a bi-racial person who has a white father and a black mother. Is that person partly racist, half a racist…what is he?

7. A few weeks ago I wrote to Black Lives Matter USA about the horrid incident where Isaiah Jackson put his knee on a 2 yr old toddler and had the caption, ‘BLM Now MF’ on his photo. This did not get the wide media coverage which you would expect as it is symbolic of what happened to George Floyd. I explained to BLM that I am a Conservative ally of BLM and that all people should be allies. There were some unfortunate rogue elements who have infiltrated BLM to destroy businesses and livelihoods, and burn building which would affect black business owners and customers they serve….a 2020 version of Tulsa 1921 when white people went on a rampage to burn black owned businesses and destroy families. I asked BLM why they did not condemn this child abuse incident as it was done in their name, and I know that BLM would never advocate this, so it is right they come out and condemn this incident. I have not had a reply. I had a short dialogue with a Socialist organisation in the US about this incident and they did not give a convincing answer. So maybe you can help me here. Why has this incident not received the wide condemnation it deserves? You will agree that if a white man had done the same thing against a black toddler this would have been world news, and rightly so. But given the colours are reversed, there is stone silence when there should have been equal vociferousness. What is the explanation for this? This is a racist incident as well as child abuse. There may be some underlying anti-white narrative that is slowly building in the anti-racist movement which may explain the silence on this matter. But I would like to understand your thoughts on this.

8. The great doyen of the Civil Rights movement, Martin Luther King Jr., said, “The (black man) needs the white man to free him from his fears. The white man needs the (black man))to free him from his guilt. A doctrine of black supremacy is as evil as a doctrine of white supremacy.” He also said, “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” What are your thoughts on MLK’s quotes?

There Are Good Cops

As you are isolating well-meaning white anti-racist campaigners, you are also isolating the majority of police officers who do not kill people nor are racists. Some more questions arise:

1. You mentioned very loudly that there are no good cops. So, the cops in the US and the UK who took the knee to respect the Black Lives Matter movement and honoured George Floyd have no meaning. When police officers joined the BLM protests you still consider them to be bad. Why?

2. The black retired police officer, David Dorn, was killed during the BLM protests by thugs who do not represent BLM. Was he a bad police officer?

3. When you blame all police officers for the sins of the few you are doing exactly what white racists do when they blame all black people for crimes and drugs or when anti-Muslim folks blame all Muslims for a few extremists who engage in terrorism. This is exactly how racists or prejudiced people think. And when we backtrack your thought process in relation to the police, it is a prejudiced outlook and runs in parallel to your anti-white narrative. Do you still maintain that ALL police officers are bad? If so, then you are forced to admit that ALL Muslims are bad (terrorism) too. If not, then what is the difference between the few rotten Muslims example and the few rotten police officers example?

4. Who will you call if a burglar or rapist breaks into your house? It was ironic when a Socialist Muslim activist in the US, Linda Sarsour, said that ALL police should be arrested and supports their defunding. But then she put up a poster on Facebook from the NY Police Department appealing for witnesses to find a missing Muslim woman. So, who would you call upon to help you if you are a victim of crime or witness a crime?

5. Police officers who have helped victims and saved lives…are they good or bad?

Burglary and Looting as Forms of Reparations?

I had read somewhere on Medium.com that looting of businesses and stealing food and clothes are reparations for slavery (not sure if it was one of your articles? I can’t find it now). If you hold this view then you are supporting criminal activity. Stealing or burning businesses does not compensate for slavery, it just teaches BAME children that you can steal. A few more points here:

1. A good argument in favour of reparations has come from a commentator who said that if slave owners were compensated for losing their slaves after abolition, and the last payment was made in 2015 (in the UK), then why don’t victims deserve compensation? A good challenge back. I believe that the best form of reparations is freedom and equality. This is what MLK, Malcolm X and other civil rights activists campaigned for. I am not aware of these activists demanding financial reparations for slavery.

2. Those who engaged in looting and violence have been condemned by BLM, by Terrence Floyd (George’s brother), by Bernice King (daughter of MLK) and so on. Violence, burning and destruction are NOT in the DNA of blacks nor BAME people. There were people maybe from Antifa or white supremacists who posed as BLM activists and broke windows and destroyed buildings whilst black activists shouted at them to STOP. Yet your narrative (if you do support looting as a form of reparations) falls into the trap set by these white supremacists.

3. In the case of Indians, the best form of reparations they had because of British rule was investment in India when it opened up to the world in the early 90s and the free market triggered the explosion of the middle class, poverty elimination, technological development and there are Indians now who are part of the British government making decisions for Britain. The Indian subjects have broken free, they are starting to outperform their white ex-masters and starting to take positions in the British administration which was once occupied by white colonialists. To put the cherry on the cake, India will become a superpower within 20 years. This is the best form of reparation, by becoming successful and outdoing your ex-masters, and even ruling over them. Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree, then why?

4. So How do I address the apparent contradiction in my argument where white slave owners were compensated for freeing slaves and that I do not advocate financial compensation to millions of African Americans, Africans, Indians, Malaysians, Indonesians, South Americans, Jews etc.? There isn’t enough money in the world economy to financially compensate around 5 billion people (I’m assuming there are 5 billion non-whites). The best form of reparations is to make use of opportunities that are available today and excel. This is happening amongst Africans and Asians. Moreover, I don’t believe that the white slave owners should have been compensated.

5. How much should 15 million Jews receive by Gentiles because they were massacred in the Holocaust and oppressed throughout history by Gentiles? They were also slaves under the Pharos thousands of years ago. What would reparations look like for this community?

6. As the anti-Capitalist narrative is quite strong within the Socialist movements and also within some of the infiltrators within BLM, they seek to exploit the murder of George Floyd to dismantle Capitalism and target large (and small) businesses. They want to bring down the very companies and their employees like myself, who are allies of BLM. Facebook, Walmart and other large corporations have donated a total of £1 billion to BLM to ensure that racial injustices are erased. CEOs, managers, employees and shareholders of these firms are allies of BLM yet once again, you are alienating them. The successful multinational corporation, Goodyear, is a $15 bn company with a global outreach across 64 countries employing 64,000 people, and share prices are increasing on the NASDAQ after a dip. This is Capitalism at its finest. They went out of their way to support BLM and ban the support of ‘Blue Lives Matter’ or ‘All Lives Matter’ or ‘MAGA’. Yet many infiltrators within BLM would seek to destroy corporations like these. Alienation at its finest.

7. If the above arguments fail to convince you (apologies if you don’t hold this view) that stealing and looting businesses is a form of reparation then please devise a strategy where reparations can take place. What will this look like? Let us start with Kamala Harris whose ancestry traces back to Hamilton Brown (through her father) who was a slave owner and owned more than 200 slaves. Her mother, Shymala Harris, boasted in an article that she is Brahmin by birth. The Indian caste system is a racist system that believes that people are born into castes. This is a misunderstanding and misuse of Hinduism and the Vedic concept of the four castes (Brahmanas, Kshariyas, Vaisyas and Sudras). Caste (or different levels of being) is not a birth right as has been widely misunderstood. According to Vedic principles they are determined by two things, Guna (quality) and Karma (the work you do). So, the work one does and the type of human being he is determines how he progresses in society, i.e. his caste. But Shymala Harris’s Brahmin supremacist and racist ideology which has nothing to do with Vedic texts needs to be challenged.

Let me make one thing clear. Kamal Harris is NOT responsible for her slave owner forefather, neither is she responsible for the racist views of her mother. But as a fighter against racism, the staring point for her has to be with her and her family. She should call out her mother for her racism. If Kamala does believe in reparations (I have not heard her state this, but let us assume this is a view you hold) then the starting point would be with her again. Her forefather, William Hamilton, benefited from slavery and this benefit would have meandered down the generations through to today. So, given that Kamala is effectively a beneficiary of her forefather, then what assets should she give up and how much money should she donate….more importantly, to whom should she pay this to?

Conclusion

I hope you will take this response in the spirit that is intended, which is a robust yet polite debate. I always enter a debate or dialogue with the expectation that we learn from each other and that I could be wrong in my opinions and happy to change my views. I was educated only a few days ago when I read an article on Medium about black men, and the narrative that they are seen as criminals or incarcerated. The article went on to state that black men should not be perceived this way, they have responsibilities and are providers for their families. This did challenge me because I got sucked into the media narrative about incarcerations of black men in the US. A new way of viewing them was an eye opener.

I hope to have that experience when engaging with you as there will be gaps in my understanding of racism. As a Conservative I have engaged with Socialists, feminists, pro-choice activists, Muslim extremists (when I stood for parliament in 2005 I challenged a Muslim extremist leader to debate after his group excommunicated me from Islam for standing for parliament. He chickened out), white supremacists, atheists, Jewish rabbis and Christian missionary friends. The conversations have always been respectful, and you will get the same respect from me even though we may not agree. The only one time I had a fallout was when I responded to a left wing socialist, feminist commentator in the UK when she lambasted the Conservative government for their handling of the COVID pandemic. I made point by point rebuttals and expected a counter-response. Instead, she told me to delete my post and threatened to litigate if I did not. I clearly did not. The only explanation I have for this behaviour is that she had a problem with a brown Conservative guy like me who dared to challenge a white feminist Socialist…something which she did not expect.

You may be interested in viewing the following items before responding to me so that you get into my mind and understand my thinking:

- Video: ‘Response to the Far Right and Non-violent White Rights Activists.’ I made this video after the New Zealand mosque attacks in 2019. I respond to every point made by the white supremacy terrorist, Brendan Tarrant in his ‘Great Replacement Manifesto’ as well as responding to non-violent white rights activists (3 hrs 35 mins). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a-piFzrceU&t

- Response to Socialists in the US — Stop the Rage, Increase the Peace (primarily responding to Linda Sarsour). The video is 2hrs long and is a summary of my 53-page open letter to Linda.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=103958741390128&id=103526098100059&__tn__=K-R

Finally, when looking at your views about various groups:

- You have alienated white communities who are anti-racist

- You have alienated corporations and their employees and shareholders who have donated hundreds of millions of dollars to Black Lives Matter. Most Capitalist corporations and businesses are allies of BLM and funding anti-racist initiatives, only for some Socialists activists within BLM who seek to dismantle this very institution of Capitalism using the murder of George Floyd to advance their agenda. Irony at its finest.

- You have alienated good police officers, including those who joined protesters and took the knee out in order to support the anti-racist cause.

- You ignore racism within other communities.

Have you alienated these groups or have you actually alienated yourself by burning bridges instead of building them? Your philosophy is new and an interesting one, which seems to be anti-white racism. I look forward to a positive engagement with you.

Yours

Hasan

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Disclaimer: The views expressed are mine only and do not belong to the company I work for or the political party I belong to.

Author Biography

Hasan Ali Imam was born in Bangladesh in 1972 and brought up in the UK. He has engaged in respectful debate and dialogue with those which disagree with him, which culminated in his candidacy for the British Parliament in 2005. He continues to be involved with the UK Conservative Party in his spare time whilst working for a multinational corporation. Hasan has also been involved with the UK Government’s PREVENT counter terrorism strategy as a trainer to public servants on how to prevent young people from venturing into extremism. He also draws on his own experience of attempted recruitment by extremist groups in the 1990s. Hasan has authored three books.

Firstly, ‘United States of Anger — Why Linda Sarsour’s Rage and Far Left Violence Cannot Move Mountains.’ This book is a response to Linda Sarsour (an American Palestinian Socialist activist), and her far left compatriots who supported the violence and rampage that took hold in the US after the tragic killing of George Floyd.

Secondly, ‘BAME — Breaking Through Barriers.’ This book deals with the race space in the UK. It responds to critics who state that ethnic minorities have not progressed due to institutional racism. He tackles the issue head on and invites critics to dialogue and debate. This book was praised by the British Government.

Thirdly, ‘Aisha and Fatima — Ladies of Heavan. A Sunni Response to Shiaism.’ This is specific to the main Islamic sects of Sunni and Shia. The book captures dialogues that Hasan (a Sunni) had with Shia Muslims over the last 20 years.

A fourth book project is under way for publication in 2023, entitled, ‘Why the Far Right are Far Wrong.’ Yes, you guessed it. It includes responses to the Far Right and dialogue with some of its members.

Hasan has also written an article on ‘Medium.com’ to challenge the anti-vaccine narrative from his own Conservative side, including Dr. Simone Gold in the US, and has invited dialogue and debate with anti-vaxxers. He has also engaged in dialogue with and Israeli Jew and an anti-Israeli Muslim on the State of Israel and the importance of Jews, Christians and Muslims to unite under the Abrahamic brotherhood.